Comments on: 7 Highlights of a Morality that Looks Like Jesus https://www.redletterchristians.org/7-highlights-morality-looks-like-jesus/ Staying true to the foundation of combining Jesus and justice, Red Letter Christians mobilizes individuals into a movement of believers who live out Jesus’ counter-cultural teachings. Thu, 03 Nov 2016 13:35:34 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=5.2.20 By: ChristianHedonist https://www.redletterchristians.org/7-highlights-morality-looks-like-jesus/#comment-211019 Tue, 01 Nov 2016 18:09:00 +0000 https://www.redletterchristians.org/?p=17898#comment-211019 I agree we can do nothing without God working in us. It still seems to me that you think that we deserve some credit for how we live our lives in others to come to god even if god does the changing. If we are to have integrity for others to be saved then what happens when we don’t have integrity? When we mess up or sin? It is not up to our goodness to save people. God saves who he wants to save regardless of how we live our lives. We are to teach and make disciples telling others that we don’t measure up to our beliefs, we are all hypocrites.

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By: Bernard Joy https://www.redletterchristians.org/7-highlights-morality-looks-like-jesus/#comment-211018 Tue, 01 Nov 2016 17:44:00 +0000 https://www.redletterchristians.org/?p=17898#comment-211018 Clearly if God hadn’t drawn them, they wouldn’t be able to see or recognise his integrity. In consequence they wouldn’t go away enthused to tell others, nor would they stay to learn from him. If God doesn’t work in us, we can do nothing.

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By: ChristianHedonist https://www.redletterchristians.org/7-highlights-morality-looks-like-jesus/#comment-211017 Tue, 01 Nov 2016 16:30:00 +0000 https://www.redletterchristians.org/?p=17898#comment-211017 A Christian should try to live up to gods commands knowing that they are already forgiven when they don’t. But you say:

“But if people had not ‘seen’ that integrity, they would not have hung around long enough to hear.”

I am not sure where this is biblical? Can God not save anyone he chooses in any way he chooses? John 6:44 says God draws us to him, we do not choose to be saved. We can never come to saving faith without Gods choosing us to be saved. We are dead in sin, not wounded by sin.

“No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him. And I will raise him up on the last day.” (John 6:44 ESV)

“even as he chose us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and blameless before him. In love he predestined us for adoption to himself as sons through Jesus Christ, according to the purpose of his will, to the praise of his glorious grace, with which he has blessed us in the Beloved.” (Ephesians 1:4-6 ESV)

I still see a works based theology in your description. That we do something to compel people to Christ instead of Christ. John 6:44 says the opposite.

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By: Bernard Joy https://www.redletterchristians.org/7-highlights-morality-looks-like-jesus/#comment-211016 Tue, 01 Nov 2016 13:59:00 +0000 https://www.redletterchristians.org/?p=17898#comment-211016 Forgive me if I disagree. I major on what Jesus said and did. His teaching and his life example. I have already said (after Paul) that it is Christ who lives in us who does the work. People flocked to Jesus because he had integrity. Every thought, word and action came from a heart which was pure (unlike the hypocrites). He stood out from the crowd and people came because of what people reported of him. So what he did and said were both important. But if people had not ‘seen’ that integrity, they would not have hung around long enough to hear. I do not mind if people preach, provided they ‘know’ Jesus and share in his integrity. They spoke of Jesus as having authority, far greater than the religious authorities. That is the integrity. And we must have it before we try to ‘convert’ anyone.

With regard to modelling the ‘role’, that is how we learn, we listen and we forget, we see and we learn and then when we finally ‘do’ what Jesus asks, finally we understand. Jn. 8:31 ff. Simply good discipling, or teaching practice. And as for the Acts of the apostles, the clue is in the name isn’t it? They ‘acted’ on that same integrity and did all the things Jesus did.

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By: ChristianHedonist https://www.redletterchristians.org/7-highlights-morality-looks-like-jesus/#comment-211015 Tue, 01 Nov 2016 11:07:00 +0000 https://www.redletterchristians.org/?p=17898#comment-211015 Romans 10 says hearing is how we come to faith not seeing. We must talk to people about the gospel using words. Your theology makes us the attention as if we can even model a Christian life well enough to save others and puts a lot of pressure on us. Salvation is all gods doing never ours.

Can you make an engineer, artist, mailman etc. by just modeling it?

Teaching all that Jesus commands requires preaching and having conversations. Godly preaching is not talking down to others but telling gods truths.

Did Stephen, Peter, Paul model or preach. Look at the book of acts, they preached and taught instead of modeling. Just because some preachers are jerks doesn’t mean it is wrong to preach and teach.

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By: Bernard Joy https://www.redletterchristians.org/7-highlights-morality-looks-like-jesus/#comment-211014 Tue, 01 Nov 2016 06:54:00 +0000 https://www.redletterchristians.org/?p=17898#comment-211014 First we must ‘model’ those kingdom values in our own life and witness as we gather around our ‘King’. Our primary aim is to be salt, light and leaven, which will affect, infiltrate and transform the society around us! This is Jesus’ own model of discipleship. As the consummate teacher, he understood that we do not ‘hear’ effectively and forget what has been said. So he ‘shows’ us as we follow him. And then we are to ‘go and do likewise’. It is only when we ‘do’ what Jesus exemplifies, that we truly understand.

True faith and understanding has to be ‘caught’ rather than taught. You cannot build God’s kingdom on your own, so discipleship is necessary, but more effective when you follow Jesus’ example, without ‘judging’ or preaching down to others.

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By: ChristianHedonist https://www.redletterchristians.org/7-highlights-morality-looks-like-jesus/#comment-211013 Mon, 31 Oct 2016 19:28:00 +0000 https://www.redletterchristians.org/?p=17898#comment-211013 or should we get to making disciples?

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By: Bernard Joy https://www.redletterchristians.org/7-highlights-morality-looks-like-jesus/#comment-211012 Mon, 31 Oct 2016 15:06:00 +0000 https://www.redletterchristians.org/?p=17898#comment-211012 He did come and we are forgiven. So let’s get on with the task of building a God centred society.

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By: ChristianHedonist https://www.redletterchristians.org/7-highlights-morality-looks-like-jesus/#comment-211011 Mon, 31 Oct 2016 13:44:00 +0000 https://www.redletterchristians.org/?p=17898#comment-211011 I agree with this, but this happens after our sins are forgiven which is why Jesus came.

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By: Snoring https://www.redletterchristians.org/7-highlights-morality-looks-like-jesus/#comment-211009 Mon, 31 Oct 2016 06:00:00 +0000 https://www.redletterchristians.org/?p=17898#comment-211009 I think we all agree

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