Comments on: Honest to God, ourselves and others – A journey of dishonest theology (Part 1) https://www.redletterchristians.org/honest-god-others-journey-dishonest-theology-part-1/ Staying true to the foundation of combining Jesus and justice, Red Letter Christians mobilizes individuals into a movement of believers who live out Jesus’ counter-cultural teachings. Fri, 29 Jul 2016 08:48:21 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=5.2.20 By: KEsh https://www.redletterchristians.org/honest-god-others-journey-dishonest-theology-part-1/#comment-163623 Tue, 18 Mar 2014 10:59:00 +0000 https://www.redletterchristians.org/?p=13714#comment-163623 We are all theologians even atheists. It is just some of our conclusions come quicker than others.

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By: wjgreen314 https://www.redletterchristians.org/honest-god-others-journey-dishonest-theology-part-1/#comment-163622 Wed, 05 Mar 2014 06:56:00 +0000 https://www.redletterchristians.org/?p=13714#comment-163622 It is difficult, even embarrassing for most of us to take issue with Barth; who, if my memory serves me correctly, after decades of theologizing was asked, “What have you learned and concluded?” To which Professor Barth putatively answered, “Jesus loves me this I know, for the Bible tells me so.” That’s good stuff and Good News; but hardly required years of rigorous study to reach. Maybe that’s the sublime nature of true theology; and perhaps how he was able to deliver,

“The object of theology should, and must only be, ‘the philanthropic God’.”

“The object of theology.” Not “objective” of theology. But “object.” Could something have gotten lost in translation from German to English?

Theology is the Study of God; our Living, Creating, Sustaining, Holy, Righteous, Salvific, Judging, Loving, Merciful & yes, Philanthropic God. Using “object” as a noun modified by the prepositional phrase “of theology” chimes dissonant. The “study of God” modifies “object;” literally,

“The THING/MATTER or (less often) “Person” of the Study of God.”

But God IS the Person. God should not be the OBJECT but the SUBJECT of the study of Himself. We study God to learn about our very personal, powerful, and philanthropic God.

When we make a study of an object — if s/he was a person and not an inanimate thing to begin with — we depersonalize her (objectify her!) and don’t make an effort to know her as a participatory, us-informing subject through personal engagement as much as we endeavor to know ABOUT her in order to speak about her to others!, and then conclude on her behalf who she is (her identity), how she must be, and what we should expect from her; we move from ourselves to her; this is quintessentially anthropomorphic, my critique of so much that passes for theology on this blog.

Instead, God is the Holy SUBJECT of our investigation. We endeavor to Know Him, the only True God and Jesus Christ Whom He sent. By knowing God we get to know and understand how He sees us, His creation, ourselves; theocentrically – through His eyes. This reveals both 1) how philanthropic God is, and 2) how desperately needy we are of His philanthropy. But we arrive at this NOT by moving from ourselves as SUBJECT to God as OBJECT but by approaching God as the Omniscient, Omnipotent and Omnipresent Being He is in order to acquire the mind of Christ which He makes readily available to us in Christ, so we may know what He truly thinks about us and holds in reserve for the objects representing the zenith of His creation. This way God looks very, very beautiful but us, not so much. And the latter can be wholly explained by sin.

I suspect God would rather we objectify “sin” and say, “the object of harmatology should, and must only be, ‘the antithesis of God’,” which without the philanthropy of God no one will see God nor know Him fully even as we’re now fully known by Him.

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By: Frank https://www.redletterchristians.org/honest-god-others-journey-dishonest-theology-part-1/#comment-163621 Tue, 04 Mar 2014 21:28:00 +0000 https://www.redletterchristians.org/?p=13714#comment-163621 Let’s hope this doesn’t conclude with emotionalism and relative truth. I am not optimistic,

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